I highly doubt that. My favorite email application started to go downhill when the developer added a feature because it was a labor-free addition included with the new development package the company bought for him. And, the reason I say "forced" is because I can guarantee you two things that are true at each and every large enterprise where they've been "integrated": yeah yeah yeah could you explain WHY you consider them a nightmare? http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa998357.aspx. sort of moot. Apple's doing just fine without them. Why? Of all of the Office alternatives, how many of them output to Office formats? Microsoft Office ( and Open Office ) has supported ODF since 2008. And those are just the places that are providing the iPads. Even new businesses need to communicate, collaborate, etc. He's been writing about tech since 2009, has far more phones than is considered humane, still carries a torch for Palm, and got a Tesla because it was the biggest gadget he could find. I'd guess not that many really. For someone like me Office on iOS is completely unnecessary and I wouldn't pay a subscription for it even if they were to offer it. If you don't need those feature of Office then . Google Docs, Open Office, Pages etc will do. And can send and receive meeting requests. Huh? For more information, see the developers privacy policy. You'll find yourself in AO Office is the world's first porting of OpenOffice for iOS and it's a powerful and complete office suite for OpenOffice / LibreOffice documents. The more valid point would be that, for many, office would be immensely useful. Excel is a must have if you want to collaborate with others using this software. Apple is a "my way or the highway" company, and that shouldn't surprise anybody. If you are sharing documents with others, particularly in a business, using anything other Office is foolhardy. Derek also discounts the large number of custom and vertical applications built on top of Office, which by definition cannot migrate to another suite. Monthly Microsoft 365 subscriptions purchased from the app will be charged to your App Store account and will automatically renew within 24 hours prior to the end of the current subscription period unless auto-renewal is disabled beforehand. Business believe that in order to conduct business, they need Office. 2121 are five star, and 1049 are one star. It does not open any extra network ports or itself render anything else on the device insecure. I am also an avid Apple user so it was always a bummer with the two best of the best not working in harmony. By tapping the left handle, I was able to open a small menu which includes the option to Copy. Heh, yea spreadsheets don't really seem like a tablet type thing. And by extensive i mean more more then 10 pages of writing. Even though I could use pages/numbers/keynote on my iPad, you still have formatting issues when bringing it back to Word. I think this latest Microsoft whining is nothing but their continued attempt to throw mud at other platforms - surely they knew what to expect already, the store rules are clear - but this article makes a great point. It's a standard, but nobody uses it. Why? But then in the second round, the Somewhere along the line (90s?) Now, fortunately, I'm in a completely different industry so I make the technology implementation rules rules. But today? It's also the number one selling software for 8 years running. Now choose Formats at the top. In Ukraine, at least nine civilians were killed and 12 others were wounded across the country on Tuesday, the Ukrainian presidents office reported Wednesday morning. Regardless whose fault this may be, it's the reality business users continue to face for the foreseeable future. They need things that work, not things that are flashy. After submitting a review, the developer reached out to me and suggested double tapping the text. You fail to see the big picture, which was the point of the article. It really is a case of what you need. Regardless of the letters at the end of the filename, there are huge compatibility issues between productivity suites. WebFake iOS/Android GPS location to anywhere in the world instantly. Could a persont "get by" without office? It's another eighty bucks if you want a version meant for use in your business. But that's not going to happen if Microsoft isn't willing to accept Apple's terms. Exactly! (Not horribly long after they *should* have learned a hard lesson when 'built' machines were popular which was also a fail.) Is this a company or a prison? (Hence trying too hard with windows 8). And I haven't run into any bugs yet. As announced today by Panos, we are beginning an early preview of Phone Link for iOS on Windows 11 Every security process and policy needs to be re-written." For people that write often for work Office is often a preferred suit, but on a desktop because, it's rare that serious people do extensive text entry on a phone or even tablet. The best Office solution is to use windows. rle? I've already preordered a windows pro tablet for this very reason - I want a tablet that let's me use office. "and the switch would be easy." I am wrongly thinking about technology start ups. Try doing the same in Windows.you can't. Domain logins, sure. There have been plenty of follow up articles detailing this. ;) (BTW, I used to be a Novel CNE.). 00:05. I do. Available for students of Torrens University and THINK Education Colleges, simply sign in with your official Office 365 student email address to access: - Current en Does MS via Citrix (or the consumer equivalent CloudOn) "work" when you have no data connection? Instead, I use a PDF printer that results in an 85 kilobyte file. I have to agree with you there Apple is being totally stupid with the file-system thing. "9. While the "Maybe I don't need Office" effect is one that is obviously of great concern to Microsoft's cash cow software, the potential of that realization for potential customers leads to further realizations: "Maybe I don't need a PC at all.". Remote monitoring is near impossible" Real world examples, please. I'm sure it is a fine product. That's the school admin lemmings only seeing the world one way. Videos Tagged. I receive document attachments from others in email (that also use Word) that must be edited and retain their formatting. I am sure he was in on the negotiations between Apple and MS. There are lots of good options out there. If I was not working on a novel, I would not even own the tablet keyboard because it does get in your way. Hi Brandon, Twitter is one window to the left MS had to decide in the early days of iOS to make one of its strongest products on its strongest competitors platform when they did not have competitive devices. I think a few dozen agree with you. Took 48 hours but phone is completely unlocked. Since docx and xlsx are noe supposedly open, they could become the standard. The NEW must-have app, Official DVSA Theory Test Kit for Car Drivers, from the people who set the tests. Once. I have been waiting for a real office suite for the iPad - Not a mobile office suite. Photos 79.4K Videos 12.1K Users 306. Brandon LeBlanc. Now choose Formats at the top. Set up apps and email on mobile. And thats the point, the businesses that need to run their finances through Office are not the majority. WebDownload Microsoft 365 (Office) and enjoy it on your iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch. Any of you folks ever heard of Documents To Go? I think the point we're making is that there is no actual reason you'd HAVE to do it that way, other than legacy or lack of skills. With Word, PowerPoint, and Excel combined into one app, being productive feels frictionless. The same would be true for some other company, inserting some non-Office product names in the blanks. 22 are five stars, 7 are 1 star. Two early Apple employees, Bob Martinengo and Mark Johnson, spoke to Business Insider about 12 years later, and still no one uses it. As announced today by Panos, we are beginning an early preview of Phone Link for iOS on Windows 11 with Windows Insiders. And Numbers does NOT work xls/xlsx files, never mind actually sync files. I suppose if you try real hard it might be done, but why? Future US, Inc. Full 7th Floor, 130 West 42nd Street, With other suits, such as OpenOffice, Neo Office, Libre Office, iWork, and other "non Google Docs" suits out there, Microsoft Office really isn't needed. With their email and contacts and calendar already in the cloud, they don't need Outlook. Attempting to wedge an Apple device into such an environment is like dropping poison into a well. In my case I use iOS devices. Certainly all of the tablet apps I've used for my minimal needs for document and spreadsheet use on the go natively and by default do so. Zero companies will say "choose which you like, and if it looks a little different when it goes to the client, that's okay". So what should the new standard be then? So why is msft so special here? The iOS iWork trifecta, however, continues to be less than thirty dollars, no matter what you intend to use it for. There may not have been an ISO or whatever committee to decide this, but it's come about on a de facto basis, that application space has matured with MS Office at the top and it's been there for so long, that even if MS Office gets knocked off the top spot, its file formats will remain as the standard. You can do all of the things Bob mentioned with Outlook connected to Exchange, and that is the only way to get all of that in a single software package. One word: Cydia. Get the best of iMore in your inbox, every day! Don't kid yourself about the Surface. You're obviously not a network manager, network architect, or aspiring CIO or you'd know better. Other commenters have started listing examples, so I will not repeat them here. Microsoft let a golden opportunity pass with iOS. Joystick to simulate GPS movement freely when playing games. The Surface Pro is likely to be a bigger disappointment than the Surface RT. I have a Canon printer mit AirPrint, and the only format it will print a picture will be on 4x6 photo paper. As you want to remote control the PowerPoint presentations, you may please provide feedback about same in the below link. "Office then becomes a translator, which you don't even really need if you can get the folks you work with to use a more standard format of information exchange."? Windows RT and Windows Phone both come out of the box with Microsoft Office, an implicit admission that Office is a selling point for customers. All this attitude will do is push more and more business users toward Android. But for your information, you just killed not only iOS and Android devices in the environment, but ALL smartphones including Blackberry and WindowsPhone 8. WebApple Stores and Apple Authorized Resellers Explore Sales Locations Service & Support Apple Stores, Apple Authorized Service Providers and Online Support Explore Service So it's moot. Why? No, the student will either pony up for Office (Home And Student, most likely) or use something like OpenOffice and save the files in MS Office formats, depending on what the class is for. Name an alternative to Outlook that can provide the clientside access to all of that, then. And yes, every major corporation and government entity in the world monitors system usage across the entire enterprise. My family is big on iOS devices but don't kid yourself, they are not replacements (yet) for the heavy lifting done with Office on Windows. Thought I would need Word, so a relative installed one of his Office for Mac licenses on mine. Derek: I, like others in the 3000 employee company I work for need Office every day. Also, due to the nature of the systems, the attack vector to an iOS device is much, much harder than on a Windows PC. That's a limitation of Microsoft's ActiveSync not iOS. Derek you're obviously not a business person. Posts Guides. Not because we use it, but because our clients do, and many of them are not willing to collaborate using Google Docs. I don't "save as" pdf, as that turns an 80 kilobyte file into a 3.5 megabyte file. Because when you're developing in Windows, you have IE available on every target machine. I see them as mobile extensions of the PC. No real argument there. I contracted on the IT Help Desk of a Fortune 100 company with over 44k domestic employees this past year, and the integration level of MS Office into the daily work goes beyond "Outlook for email and Excel for spreadsheets". It did not work and they called for a change after a number of years of use (hence, no inexperience or peculiar allegiance with the MS Office software solution). Last I checked, it's also non-existent on Blackberries. And from what I've seen, no less secure than a Windows or Mac with decent firewall and virus protection software. That's not a technology problems. Unsurprisingly, Apple's not budging on this. My wife is an entirely different matter. The reason you'd use Office are A) because someone has already cobbled up some Office based solution that you are told to use, or B) because you've only got Office skills and don't know any better or differently. That's not to say that a solid word processor, spreadsheet cruncher, and presentation building app aren't essential for the platform - they are, and that's exactly why Apple built Pages, Numbers, and Keynote for iOS. I don't think that's accurate at, Sam. I would have normally given this only one star, but I'm optimistic for this app. Similarly, other "major applications" are integrated into the processes on a programmatic basis, rather than merely on a procedural basis even though there are other alternatives. Thank you for your review. Even on simple collumn sum tables. Well, then, you may not want to do business with a lot of companies still running XP/Office 2003 until they are forced to upgrade next year My Office '07 supports OpenOffice documents. I didn't say other products can do EVERY THING office can do but they don't need to. Let the percentages of each fall where they may, just get paid. It's quite obvious, based on that statement alone, that you really don't know enough. Yes, they are the 'standard' in that's what most people send and receive (expect) but that 'standard' (popular) isn't actually standard (compatible). I have had this type of problem since roughly 2017 and its never been fixed by Microsoft: I keep getting the cant upload, please sign into your account error message whenever (or sometimes) I try to let Word or Office app on my iPhone 13 Pro Max upload any text changes I make to my .docx Word document files and the result is unintended data loss on my end! WebTorrens University & THINK Education Colleges Student App Access your subjects, timetable, marks, and grades using our mobile app. We don't use or need Lync. The office is calling on the public to come forward with any tips on who dumped the animals and the trash. It's garbage and it's the only thing keeping Microsoft alive. But you're not a businessperson in a business that does desktop publishing daily. I need Office but not on the ipad. An adviser to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said Wednesday that Ukraine's military could strategically pull back from the devastated city. On the Surface it lacks (according to Microsoft): The IT people decided to make working with office available on the iPad through Citrix, which is a free app. There are remote access and visualization clients available. Switched from Windows (good riddance!) Some here and there support .rtf. If you are working on documents for yourself, or to simply paste into a textbox, Google Docs (or any word editor is fine). They will need it if they aren't willing to move on and it is an integral part of their workflow. Not only have they made a lot of money off this model and stand to make even more off of Microsoft's work, but they don't need it. I am always willing to learn. But group policies, at least to some degree, are possible via Mobile Iron. Say you don't like Office and want to use Apple's equivalent at work, when you go to send that out to your client guess what, they are not going to be able to open it OR it will more likely not be 100% compatible. There are many others who are allowing them on a Bring Your Own program, such as Liberty Mutual, to replace corporate Blackberries. I am shocked this wasn't written by Rene, because it has his "Apple is god" mentality just focused on the software. But how does microsoft make money in the future where the people who are happy have already paid up? I think it fundamentally comes down to how you use tablets. Why: For many, Word, Excel, PowerPoint, and Outlook are synonymous with business and getting things done. On the other hand, I'm self-employed and don't have to conform to corporate norms You seem to spend too much time with your Apple gadgets and not enough in the real world. However, you likely don't NEED to stick with Office, whether 5 or 5000. If you're only typing up the occasional letter, then a $30 office suite (or even a free one) may be more than adequate. I use Office every day! Anything else useful about it? Cardboard Crash is a virtual reality experiment about the ethics of artificial intelligence algorithms in self-driving cars. -- as a matter of fact, there was an attempt in German regional governance where they tried to use OpenOffice as their Office solution. Because most of those alternatives are fine for the home or smaller business user (Foxit Reader instead of Adobe Reader, forex), they don't have the featureset and APIs needed for the task being put on them in an enterprise situation. Which makes all the arguments I've seen made here about how business need Office because of all the macros etc. No bullshit. All those things are possible on RT. Ready in colours like purple, green, blue, and black. Oh well, i'm a CPA so Office is a must. In enterprise, nobody cares about "user friendly" if the necessary features aren't present. Again, I've been a software engineer and consultant for a long time now. But no one I correspond with uses them, they all use .doc/.xls, and within the past couple of years, .docx/.xlsx since they've mostly made the jump from Office '03 to either '07 or '10. If you're serious about writing on an iPad, I'd suggest spending the $100 on an Apple Bluetooth keyboard and an InCase Origami Workstation case for it. I admit that Word and Excel are good products. Import / Export GPX file to save your favorite routes. Let me put it this way: on a properly configured PC or laptop, in a properly managed enterprise environment, standard users cannot (and should not be allowed to) install ANY application, plug in, update, or driver that is not pre-approved and thoroughly tested by the OCIO. This was simply because they failed to create a touch-optimized version of it. i do that on a real computer with office. Pretty sure that's Exchange managing all that, not a client application like Outlook. That doesn't mean it is a good idea. Oh come on. It is nonsense to think that people would just jump from the established and (and this is important) fully functional and approachable system that has worked for decades to something that works both worse and differently. WebHow to install Microsoft 365 Insider apps on iOS. Currently, I'm making every Word doc a Pages doc. And Office is the standard. I don't think Microsoft is too worried. The following data may be collected and linked to your identity: Privacy practices may vary, for example, based on the features you use or your age. I don't work in use a computer in my business very often and for my needs Google Docs works fine for things like my budget and simple word processing. Nope. No, I mean glaring bugs in Office RT widely documented everywhere. Derek Kessler is Special Projects Manager for Mobile Nations. The rear camera is a 12-megapixel model. Most people don't do anything with Office they couldn't just as easily do with most other office-type apps. I certainly understand legacy. Whatever, and a Baba Booey to y'all. statista.com/topics/847/apple/chart/735/apple-s-astonishing-profit-in-context/. iMyFone D-Back makes iPhone data recovery easy, regardless of the method you choose. The article should be the complete opposite. Seems no one dares to compete with Microsoft. Now the real thing is i'm NEVER gonna do that on an ios device. The data you plan to use for that coming from erm, the Mobile Telcos?? You (and others) keep saying that .doc/.docx, etc, are proprietary formats. I need contact management, email, tasks and calendar that are tied together. If enough people did this, even Office users might start getting the hint to use something non-proprietory. It is a simple and convenient way to practice for your Life in the UK British Citizenship test on the go Now days, other than some goofy tool layouts, they are compatable and work seemlessly between platforms. iTunes subscriptions are just a payment method, so if users stop the subscription in iTunes their service remains until the end of the subscription term. Many even do so by default. Domain logins and group policies are non-existent" Businesses also develop 'web based' stuff that will only run in IE6 or use Lotus Notes for office communication. Tag #ShotoniPhone to take part. Open the Settings app on your iPhone 14 Pro or Pro Max. Remember the days when XP would not talk to Vista, and Vista, what a joke of a program. The Live account is independent from iTunes. I never submitted a doc file to anyone. Why do you think the "only" alternative is Google Docs? "Apple knows this, that's why they are trying to get a cut of the sales." The newest models include three cameras. Same as the admins would have to do on an ongoing basis anyway whenever anything new is added to the network. : you have to get the keyboard out of the way when you don't need it). The Verge had a similar article a few months ago. I'm just aware that 1) there are now standards that could be used, with a bit more work from IT, that would greatly open things up and make a better end-user experience, and 2) that the vast majority of companies aren't in that situation, yet still unnecessarily mimic the the decisions of the big companies. I'm not saying I need office on the IPad. It is no wonder why they have 90% of the market (guessing). With the iPad approaching its third birthday after completely turning the idea of what a tablet could be on its head while simultaneously and singlehandedly obliterating the netbook market, Microsoft finds themselves in an interesting predicament. WebDownload Official DVSA Theory Test Kit and enjoy it on your iPhone, iPad and iPod touch. The update introduced a redesigned MS Office formats have long been standards by fiat of usage. This is precisely why Surface matters. None of those functions are terribly interesting because there are so many equivalents available. But it's utter fallacy to think i don't need it. If microsoft demands users have to learn a new office or OS (windows 8), they might also take a closer look at mac, iOS, linux, android and office compatible products. All in all, well done cant wait for the future improvements. I think that your argument just keeps on spinning around and around without any substance. Might as well use Pages or Numbers or something else. I used the Word app before on other older iPhones but they all suffered extreme data loss when I tried to simply edit and upload changes everyday I used it. Intranet PKI is a non-starter, and network user authentication is near impossible" "2. It's not there are no other tools but it's not like photoshop is the only photo editor but a lot of professionals use it. Fortunately, being the dept that is nearly keeping the company afloat gave us quite a bit of leverage to do things as we wanted. As for connecting to unsecure networks or devices, exactly the same as for Blackberries or laptops: None, and that is why VPNs, sandboxes and other security software are used. WebiPhones have various camera systems depending on the iPhone version. What you're talking about is being compatible with what all the other lemmings are passing around, not writing. Updated must be thoroughly tested anyway if the admins are worth their salt, and really, is a pull instead of a push that big of a deal? I also didn't use Office (OK, well I had it on my machine in case I ever needed translation, but hardly used it we had a multi-license version as my wife was required to get it for one of her jobs, so I used one of the licenses.). I don't really need Photoshop file format compatibility (although it has it). Enjoy your iWorks. Apple has never released publicly any reasons for an app rejection. There is built-in VPN capabilities and there are enterprise class VPN options available via the App Store. I think lots of others will agree. Five years ago, those people would never have questioned it; if you needed work done, it was Office or bust. BUT think about young kids, who've started using their first gadgets and doing their first school project on the iOS. WordPerfect, Open Office, iWork -- they will not cut it for these users, and there are a *LOT* of them. The only reason I would have to recommend something else to someone else would be if they are just starting out and/or cannot afford or otherwise justify the expense of buying MS Office. My PC is Windows, my tablet is iOS and my phone is (currently) Android. As the vast majority already uses MS Office, those compatibility problems are minimized if you just use office. Negotiations continue in DC over the #fiscalcliff. I use .docx when the file needs to be available for editing or when specifically requested, and .pdf for everything else. "1. I use .docx, .xlsx (and .pdf) across all three, and I can share those same documents with anyone online and not worry about the target device or correspondent not being able to open them. I can do 85% of what I need to do right from my iPad Pro. And, if I had to do something like that, I could find several ways that needn't involve Office. That's a compatibility matter, not a capability matter. And the jailbreakers are a small percentage of users. I agree. "7. Which does not apply in a corporate situation. We were the most profitable department, with a fairly low IT budget (in comparison). I look forward to keyboard access and full mouse support. The way I see it is that in an enterprise environment, Office is a necessity. An adviser to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said Wednesday that Ukraine's military could strategically pull back from the devastated city. Fortunately, most, if not all, of the required applications already exist. How about apple going for simple voice calls over data, to complement iMessage and Facetime? Please point me to the standards documents that defines any Office file format as a standard? Jailbreaking, by itself, is not a security issue. You may not need all of those functions, but many enterprise setups need a large portion of them. And I couldn't care less how seriously I'm taken on this blog Ok. It's tied into our WebEx, phones, and voicemail. It imports xls/xlsx and saves-as xls, but unless the newest version has updated the compatibility, does not export to xlsx, and having to save-as and THEN manually transfer off the device is hardly what I would call "working with" the files. How can a dude named "Scientific Bob" be wrong? But I would like to know how you know the progression of these 'talks' That's around the time I decided to quit consulting and just go work in IS/IT for a while. As part of the publishing industry, I can honestly say that trying to be effective and present a QUALITY product using Office for desktop publishing is like trying to make a good steak by bar-b-quing a head of lettuce. Derek is correct in saying that the iPad has caused a huge mindshift. Activate Office or Microsoft 365. Updates must be thoroughly tested and then pulled (not pushed) by every device." 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