She wont go along with societys plans. It is oddly her grandmother, the Dowager Countess, who seems to understand most fully that Edith's options are limited, and that this is not to be taken as a happy thing, only one the D.C. would argue cannot be changed. She writesthat Perhaps the lesson of all these stories of Edith being left and left and left again is nothing brings in misery like being entirely at the mercy of other peoples decisions to stay or leave, which is where Ediths father, well-meaning though he may be, has left her. Holmes sees the Marigold storyline as evidence that Edith is learning to take her destiny into her own hands. Continue browsing in r/DowntonAbbey. So Edith gave her lady's maid time off for the duration of Edith's trip to Downton. The eldest son of a titled person (peer) usually uses his fathers second highest title as his own. It's mentioned in series 4 (IIRC) - Lady Mary ask Anna to look after Rose while they are in London because they can't take Madge away from Lady Edith who is staying at Downton Abbey. Well. 5 Spiritual Practices That Increase Well-Being. Mr. Bates). Marys happiness seems to be the only thing that matters in this household. Or, are some, unfortunately, born with no decency? Last series, she was left heartbroken when Bertie Pelham called off their engagement after. I was torn about the scene with Isobel and her fallen women. Also, you only mention two daughters. 1,163, This story has been shared 1,143 times. 1,592, This story has been shared 1,546 times. But because Edith is Edith, he dumped her at the altar . Unless, the mother is the monarch, of course. NPRs Linda Holmes has suggested that, until recently, Ediths suffering was the direct result of allowing her life to be directed by the patriarchal society around her. She became solely Mary's lady's maid once Mary wed. After this, Mary asked Edith how the new maid was doing and Edith said that she missed Anna. How dare Edith not be dazzlingly beautiful? I like british title system. She would love to take the wind out of your sailsif you were excited about something, it was only a matter of time untilpunch! Dinah would be sure to bring her down. So Edith was alone again, naturally. Oh, but how I sighed when Ethel showed up among the slatterns. This has led some fans to speculate that Lady Mary is actually the daughter of Carson, the familys beloved butler who has always acted as as sort of second father to Mary. I still dont understand where the name Grantham comes from. Editors note: For the benefit of American readers who havent yet seen Season 3 of Downton Abbey, please do your best to avoid spoilers when commenting. I didnt feel much sympathy at the thought of the Crawleys being forced to downsize to a slightly less massive mansion. Knowing what you value will help you build the most meaningful life possible. If you have anyquestions relating to the titles used on Downton Abbey, leave them in the comments box below. One of the soapiest subplots of Downton Abbey's first season involved poor Mr. Pamuk, the dashing Turkish diplomat who makes a fateful visit to the Abbey. Season 4 of "Downton Abbey" introduces a major shift in plot, as well as a shift in style, evident in the fashion of the character Lady Edith Crawley, played by Laura Carmichael. She will keep her baby and she will hide it with a farming family close to Downton, damn it! Reply SarahMakesYouStrong Additional comment actions Where does Grantham come from? Have we ever heard Lady Grantham refer to the Dowager by any name? He swore his love to Edith, but nobody else believed he was the dead wealthy cousin he said he was and he bailed out as quickly as a writer who suddenly realizes he has no idea where this plotline is going. But since shes a marchioness she would be expected to have a ladys maid to show her status and power. 6,465, This story has been shared 4,929 times. Neat. | I interviewed over 400 women, teens, and girls about their sister relationships, and heard many stories of how damaging the constant day-to-day abuse can be to the recipients self-esteem. Can there be two people holding that title simultaneously? Sir Anthony Strallen wanted to marry her, but thenthe old bugger got cold feet and left her at the altar. And another sisters first sexual encounter ended in death. . Kois: Seth, I wonder about this, too. In season 3, Lady Mary claims to have undergone a small operation that will help her start a family with Matthew. It was the same thing when Charles and Diana divorced. Unless she marries a peer, and has that title, could become a Duchess or Countess, but can never be Dowager Countess of Grantham. Its the shocking way that Mary treats her younger sister Edith and how remarkably, she gets away with it. Downton House. There is also Violet Crawley (played by Maggie Smith) who is Lord Granthams mother and the wife of the previous Lord Grantham. Upon learning Ediths secret, Rosamund travels to Downton Abbey to help her niece through her pregnancy, and suggests adoption options as the due date draws near. Ms. Jenny, Then, she found a sympathetic editor who soon became her lover. 1,335, This story has been shared 1,201 times. 4,929, This story has been shared 4,321 times. I always had a soft spot for this particular ginger maid, who was treated poorly by her baby daddys parents, but once is enough for that story line. It could also explain why Edith looks (and behaves) so different from her sisters. After all, she has a wealthy grandmother and uncle in New York City and they arent ones for convention. Only his present wife is the Princess of Wales. They hardly ever name the county explicitly in the show, just refer to the estate or the nearby towns. Peers divorce. Remember, Lady Sibyls Fenian nuptials were also denied to us. She was the Jan, as Brady Bunch viewers immediately recognized. The Dowager Countess of Grantham. hide caption. Lady Mary retained her married name Lady Mary Crawley, until she remarries at which point she takes her new husbands title or name. I do enjoy watching sad-sack Molesley endure an endless string of indignities. There are worse things happening in the world." Carson: "Not worse than a maid serving a duke . Thank you! The deliciously mean-spirited piling on of indignities is unjust . Also, one senses that perhaps Edith, who kept her daughter for a few months for the sake of the breastfeeding and therefore had likely formed a fairly fully developed bond with her, would rather she weren't quite so far away, and perhaps were even somewhere that Edith might occasionally see her. Her proper title isThe Countess of Grantham and she, like Lord Grantham, can be addressed as Lady Grantham by equals andMiLady by servants. 2,161, This story has been shared 1,804 times. My understanding is that the family name is Grantham and that Lady Mary married Matthew Crawley. Until next week. ), her initial frustration at the idea of marrying Matthew to save the family, Sybil's chafing at the limitations of her life, and Edith's perpetual wheel-spinning over what to do if she doesn't get married. Downton Abbey invests a lot of time and effort in convincing us that John Bates, Lord Grantham's trusty, is a great guydespite his checkered past and multiple murder allegations. Irish chauffeur Tom Branson, a man of revolutionary politics,. I meant physically she might not know how to do all of the fancy hairstyles and thingsbut yes. Kois: The sight of Carson singing merrily to himself once he heard Mrs. Hughes was OK warmed my heart. Follow Decider onFacebookandTwitterto join the conversation, andsign up for our email newslettersto be the first to know about streaming movies and TV news! This was wonderful and very enjoyable. Despite its exhaustively polished veneer, Downton Abbey was always a soap opera. Even Alfred the novice footmanaka tall, 1920s Landry Clarkedoesnt hesitate to walk all over him. Some Redditors believe Bates is just a remorseless serial killer, pointing to his intense hatred of his first wife and creepy vibes as evidence. Considering all this, it should come as no surprise that fans have developed similarly wacky theories about the show. When the servants are at the home of their Lord/Lady, the servants are addressed by their own surname, (e.g. I also feel bad for Lady Edith, who saw the one time things in that house were finally about her go terribly, terribly wrong, but Sir Anthony is a putz. Applying the Bare-Minimum Monday Philosophy to Relationships, Mass Shooters and the Myth That Evil Is Obvious, Transforming Empathy Into Compassion: Why It Matters, New Years Eve Survival Guide for the Heartbroken. Only married ladies had a personal lady's maid. Shed be able to manage it on her own since she is the owner of London newspaper. Edith is the only one of Lord Grantham's daughters to hold a title, Marchioness of Hexham. George has the surname Crawley, from his father. He is the heir apparent, but not because he is Roberts grandson, but because he is the heir of the Third Earl as Robert had no sons of his own. Then at some point "Madge" became Edith's Lady's Maid (and Lady Rose's). It's a good thought, but I think that's the sort of thing she might to at the beginning of the show, to prove her importance and compete with Mary, but her whole character arc over the series and film shows her becoming more modern, learning that not everything important is about fancy clothes and large drawing rooms, and having a life outside of her battle with her older sister. The main question I have coming out of this episode: Whats left to resolve? But what if everyones assumptions about Bates are exactly right? But Cora is now a dowager (widow of a peer) too, so the usual manner is to now call her Cora, Countess of Grantham. or when Anna (maid) became a ladys maid.. they asked if its OK to keep calling her Anna instead of Bates.I am so confused.Thank you for your time and help.All the best,Shirley. So the divorced Margaret had to settle for being styled Margaret, Duchess of Argyll. 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Eventually, Edith and Sir Anthony patch things up, get engaged, and even have a wedding day. 1,804, This story has been shared 1,592 times. At the head of the family is Lord Grantham,whos name is Robert Crawley (played by Hugh Bonneville). Like the family name for the very-real premier duke of England, the Duke of Norfolk, is Fitzalan-Howard. In the movie, Bertie says they don't have servants with them (the inference being a valet and lady's maid who would normally travel with them) when they go to DA because they are "modern folk". The present wife of a peer is, say, the Duchess of York. Most of the other underdogs on Downton Abbey eventually get their due. After that, Edith decided to start a little thing with a married farmer, but his wife found out, and it was adios to Old MacDonald. Rosamund thought. That would be charming except the rest of the clip is just Downton Abbey cast members puzzling over her epic bad luck. Apologies for posting to such an old thread, but thought I might help other confused Americans find your comment when googling, since the show is still well-known even though its finished airing. Does anyone know the name of Lady Violets late husband? So lets call her Anne. Francine may require the help of her eccentric nouveau riche best friend, Cuddles (Edith Massey), to discover the truth. There's something evil going on in that stately home in the rolling hills of Yorkshire, and it's a lot more nefarious than the re-bedding of the body of the expired Turkish gentleman. Maybe he'll die! And shed have retreated to a wing, and maybe only occupied the whole house during the winters. Anyone who does not know that Dowager refers to a widow might like a more complete explanation. He conveniently falls in love with Lady Mary, eldest daughter of Robert, and their boy child George now is heir perceptive to the seat and title. So, go peddle your coarse garbage elsewhere! The two living daughters have to be addressed normally as Lady Mary and Lady Edith and by servants as Mi'Lady and not as you said: Your Ladyship, because that is only for the countess and . If Robert had a second title, the son would be known as Viscount Downton. ", On the surface, this may seem to be the saddest thing of all for Edith, in that it seems to be, for her, a far more profoundly important pain than her various suitors would be alone. These two do not like each other, and theyre quite public about it. In order to divorce his wife, he went off to Germany (as you do in the years following World War I, if you have a taste for adventure), where he disappeared. She won't be content to let other people tell her that she can't be an unwed. 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A courtesy title doesnt mean the holder is a peer. Lady's maids were often held onto even when the rest of the staff were decreasing rapidly, and a marchioness would certainly be expected to have one. All rights reserved. I'm not sure if Edith would insist on a lady's maid because of her history as 'Poor Edith.' Back to the Crawleys, but remember they arent real. OK, so if Robert Crawley, Seventh Earl of Grantham, had a son he would the the Viscount Downton. Does Cora call her mother in law Violet? And what is Thomas calling all is in-laws these days? There, at the insistence of Aunt Rosamund, Edith placed her child informally not legally with some very nice Swiss people, apparently, but she almost immediately began having second thoughts. June Thomas: Chaps, will you join me in my campaign for justice for Lady Edith? June, how did you feel about this weeks downstairs saga? Fellowes seems to have positioned her decision not as a bold move for feminism, but an opportunity to show once more that a womans greatest success is tied up in giving birth to a child and loving it. also to be noted a Lord of the Manor is not a peer. Another one suggests that Gregson was a British spy gathering intel on the insurgent Nazisand he might not have died at all. 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